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hello

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and welcome to episode number 26 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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unless you've been living under a rock

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for the last several months

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you've no doubt noticed the sudden and

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dramatic uptick

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in mainstream media coverage of the ufo

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phenomenon and

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as a result of this increased exposure

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it's no longer unusual

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for so-called water cooler conversations

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even if they're most often

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virtual in nature in this day and age to

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turn to the topic of ufos

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or as they're commonly referred to now

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in government circles

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uap or unidentified aerial phenomena

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if you've read some of the myriad number

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of articles now being published in

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newspapers around the world

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almost daily or tuned in to see just

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some of the plethora of reports airing

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on news channels

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pretty much everywhere news channels

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exist you've likely noticed that we're

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on the other side of a kind of

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inflection point

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and that means there's now considerably

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less outright snicker

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ridicule and scorn directed towards the

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topic

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of the ufo phenomenon within the

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that said while this is a welcome turn

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of events to be sure

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and a sure sign of even greater and more

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impacting things to come

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after all it's very difficult to imagine

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this genie being put back in the bottle

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at this point

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one who's paying close attention to the

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media coverage of late

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can't help but notice that a key aspect

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of this conversation

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is missing and missing to a shocking

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almost as if the delete button has been

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pushed on an entire section

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of the literature behind this phenomenon

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here i speak of the experiences of those

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who have had reported contact

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often on an ongoing sometimes even

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lifelong basis

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with the very non-human intelligences

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apparently piloting

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these astonishing aerial vehicles

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now that even the mainstream media and

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to a large degree the general public

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they report to

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have begrudgingly acknowledged that

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something of unknown and perhaps even

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non-human

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origin is truly manifesting in our

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physical reality

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often above some of our most supposedly

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secure military spaces

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such as nuclear weapons facilities no

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you'd think reporters and media editors

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would want to gather

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every shred of data they could in order

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to make sense of what should actually be

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the story of the decade the century and

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alas that's simply not been the case

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much of the media is still

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lost as to how to approach this topic

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perhaps because of the fact that its

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implications really are so

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mind-bogglingly far-reaching

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as a result the extensive data that's

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been gathered on behalf of the

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experiencer community

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the collective group of individuals

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who've either seen

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interacted with or in some cases

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reportedly been

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abducted by these others is simply being

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full stop almost as if this extensive

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and well-attested data set

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but it does exist as already mentioned

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the data is extensive

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and even more startlingly and tellingly

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because often what people describe

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is remarkably similar indeed much of the

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messaging

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experiences report receiving from these

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even when these people don't know each

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other and are reporting events from

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who wouldn't want to be made aware of

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only a media political set and general

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that is simply often unconsciously not

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these far-reaching questions questions

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that ultimately lead to an inquiry as to

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the very fabric of reality itself

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that consciousness apparently plays

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in that inextricably interconnected

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this essential aspect of the ufo

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phenomenon literature namely the data

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experiencers as well as the astounding

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implications that arise as a result

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as i mentioned in the introduction one

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of the most startling aspects

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of the literature referring to abduction

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that people really are encountering

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entities that are

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beyond our imagination

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often people who've had no experience

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no exposure to it whatsoever so they've

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nevertheless describe remarkably similar

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such as the graves and this consists of

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both the short grays and the tall grays

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in addition there's the reptilians that

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a seven foot tall praying mantis kind of

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these are encountered and reported very

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about the different kinds of entities

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the human-like or humanoid

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of groups like the nordics that

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often bluish eyes and if these figures

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clothes you probably wouldn't think

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go well beyond just the appearance of

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are also remarkably similar they often

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give warnings about impending

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apocalyptic events

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are bringing messages of peace and

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with humanity and you'd think that for

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aspect that's well documented in the

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literature of the ufo phenomenon

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would be considered and yet it's not

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some will argue that these messages

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may be mistruths that actually the

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of these others is to deceive us and

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there's even evidence some would argue

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in the way that they tell us things end

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the messaging is false

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suggesting that these entities are

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suggest that's the wrong way of looking

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at it that's not how i see it

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and i'll touch on that more at the end

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but i just wanted to acknowledge that

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some people see it that way

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is the majority of these experiencer

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are of entities who bring messages of

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entities that are often

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encountered again there's more than the

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entities i described above

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but that's often the kind that are

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across time and culture and we've also

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the messages that consistently emerge

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from these groups

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let's now turn to the question at hand

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why is this aspect of the data which is

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not being covered in mainstream media

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why is our culture rejecting

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experiencers

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now truth be told much of this comes

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worldview bias many people

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many institutions the dominant

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institutions that make up

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our society reject these kind of claims

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outright because scientific materialism

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reigns supreme in those kind of circles

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and de facto it's assumed that these

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kinds of events just can't happen

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so people assume in these institutions

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that people are either

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fraudulently recounting events that

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never happened

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or they are somehow delusional or

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something else

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maybe looking for fame but they assume

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these things can't happen and so they

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don't even look at them

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this is the challenge whenever you have

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a dominant worldview paradigm

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it dictates reality and even if things

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start to bleed in

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that show evidence that reality is

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broader than what is considered to be

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for a long period of time those

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that's simply what happens much of the

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occasions on this podcast i think you'll

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a trend by now from my point of view you

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really can't have this conversation

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about the ufo phenomenon

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and disclosure and how human

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civilization is going to handle it

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without considering aspects like world

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reality paradigms and even developmental

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levels different developmental levels

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both for individuals and societies

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there's quite an array quite an

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assortment

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both in terms of individuals and

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societies around the world today

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and that's why the response to

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revelations about a non-human

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intelligence or

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multiple intelligences being in our

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midst will be

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a mixed bag it will be quite a blend of

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different responses

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because of the different levels of

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development and consciousness

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now then the question probably occurs to

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you how do we

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change this how do we get the general

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public

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and the mainstream media and our

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politicians

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to take this aspect of the data

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seriously

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how do we introduce the experiences that

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experiencers are having

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with these non-human intelligences into

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the mix

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how does that become part of the public

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well it's going to be a process it's

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going to take some time

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and we just simply have to be diligent

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and keep at it

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the good news is the truth is both

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resilient

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and relentless it keeps being the case

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regardless of

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what we think about it and that's why

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scientific revolutions

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eventually occur because that anomalous

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data

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that is ignored much of the time for a

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long period of time

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actually eventually makes its

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case and eventually when there's enough

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dissonance

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in terms of the current paradigm not

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being able to explain reality

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because it can't make sense of this

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additional data this causes crisis

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a collapse of the previous paradigm and

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a

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now in terms of the kind of process we

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can expect

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when it comes to trying to introduce

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experiencers and their accounts to the

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general

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conversation being had about the ufo

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phenomenon

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we should remember that it's well

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understood that truth goes through

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three phases before becoming accepted

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number one ridicule number two

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violent opposition and number three

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acceptance

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as self-evident now ridicule

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we're very familiar with when it comes

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to the topic of the ufo phenomenon

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and high strangeness in general we're

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definitely

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in the ridicule stage and have been for

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quite a while going back

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decades partly of course because the

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government has fed that message back to

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the general public

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to try and suppress curiosity in order

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to enable the cover-up that's been

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happening for 70-plus years so ridicule

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we're familiar with

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violent opposition is next now

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in our society today we tend to not pick

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up arms

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over these kinds of issues anymore but

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nevertheless

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these spokespeople for the dominant

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paradigm the mainstream

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scientific establishment you can see

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them almost frothing at the mouth in

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anger and frustration

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that they even have to entertain these

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ideas

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that they even have to answer questions

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about it because they are so convinced

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it's not real that's the stage we're in

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now violent opposition even if it's more

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of a violent kind of

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mental and thought process towards this

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topic

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but take heart people because remember

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stage three

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is acceptance as self-evident

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we will get there one day

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the vast majority of humanity will see

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this topic

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as self-evident they will see that

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the ufo phenomenon is real meaning that

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there are entities

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beyond humanity that are very

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sophisticated highly intelligent

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that have been here likely all along and

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that

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come in and out of our perception are

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bandwidth

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now as i mentioned often the truth

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eventually wins out because the

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anomalous data

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is remarkably resilient and relentless

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and so that changes people's minds

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eventually

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now sometimes it's good to look at a

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specific example of this

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to demonstrate how this happens

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richard lang is an investigator who's

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worked for

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airport authorities and for the

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department of homeland security

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he's very much a nuts and bolts kind of

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forensic kind of researcher

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he's also been involved with mufon and

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initially his interest in ufos was more

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nuts and bolts

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when he began interviewing experiencers

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his initial response was again stigma

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and scorn he assumed these people were

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crazy

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but eventually his perspective changed

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because

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was as i said

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recently george knapp interviewed

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richard lang regarding his career

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as a researcher and this is what george

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knapp says

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quote for boots on the ground

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investigators like richard lang

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who spent three decades interviewing

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witnesses claiming they had direct

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contact with unknown beings there's a

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point at which the wild stories

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no longer feel outlandish unquote

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and in that conversation with george

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knapp this is what

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richard lang says quote next thing you

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know i'm out there interviewing some

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lady that's talking about

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you know being taken up into a ship and

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being examined and all that

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and i'm like well you know i can

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remember being in those first couple

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and i did remember i was thinking i just

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gotta get out of this

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i just want to go home and get away from

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that lady because she's nuts

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and then you'd interview another one and

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then after that interview

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about 10 or 12 of them you're like wait

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a second you know these guys are telling

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the truth

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and by the way you can read and listen

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to that entire interview between

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george knapp and richard lang at the

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mysterywire.com website

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now what's interesting is richard lang

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admits

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initially he thought these people were

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either crazy

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in his word nuts or were

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fraudulent he just didn't think these

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kinds of events were possible

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full stop and remember we all do that

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we all have an adopted paradigm of

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reality even if it's

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unconscious and we reject suppress

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ignore any data that doesn't fit with

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that paradigm

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but to lang's credit it was his

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experience as a researcher that

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eventually changed his mind

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because after having interviewed many

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witnesses

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in cases that had nothing to do with

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ufos

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he had become familiar with what it

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looks like when people are telling the

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truth

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small details that others miss that

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corroborate each other for instance

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there were even events where multiple

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witnesses encountered a single

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being or witnessed a single event

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and he found that the accounts of these

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people corroborated

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each other even down to small details so

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it was his expertise

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and experience as a researcher that

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eventually changed his mind

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the data was again resilient and

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relentless

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and it eventually made him change his

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perspective

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about what must be possible within our

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now in terms of what's possible within

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our reality

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i've mentioned both in the introduction

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to today's podcast

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and on previous episodes that the ufo

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phenomenon

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inevitably leads to much larger complex

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perplexing questions about the fabric of

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ultimate reality because what's observed

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by those who pay close attention to the

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data simply

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collapses or completely transcends our

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current understanding

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of how physical reality works

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and richard lang in his decades of

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research

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into the ufo phenomenon certainly came

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across this

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this is what he says again in this

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interview with george knapp

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quote and as you well know that when you

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start to deal with these kinds of cases

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there's a lot of what they call high

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strangeness that's involved

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the anti-physical stuff eric davis and

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jacques villa had written a paper that's

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in my book that they gave me permission

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to use

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in my book but basically it's a model

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for investigating anomalous phenomenon

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and in some of this stuff there's a

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section and they call

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the anti-physical layer and that's where

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you get into all these things that you

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see in case reports

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where things reappear and disappear and

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you know

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three objects converge into one or one

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breaks up into three

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you know things like you know you see

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these reports where a ufo

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or a vehicle just goes right into the

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side of a mountain

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with no crash or impact or anything

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it just goes right in there just like if

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you dropped a rock in the water

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and it's in there there's a whole bunch

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of that kind of stuff listed in my book

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that i think people that are going to

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investigate this stuff

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have to get their head wrapped around

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and it's not easy to do

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because some of it's pretty pretty way

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out there

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and you know i did there's a chapter in

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there

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about multi-dimensional consciousness

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different states of consciousness you

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know different states of reality

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and you say wow you know that's really

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getting

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so in that quote you can recognize that

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even lange

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knows this stuff sounds outlandish it

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sounds out there

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it sounds and here's that word we often

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hear woo

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and yet it's what he came across time

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and time again

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by the way the book that lang is

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referring to is a new book he's authored

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titled

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ufo investigation the methodology for a

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new age

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it's described as the culmination of

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investigative methods

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interview techniques case assessment and

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reporting applications

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that mr lang has developed during his

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30-year quest to understand the ufo

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again the reason why i bring up a person

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like richard lang

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is just to demonstrate that even when

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someone is highly skeptical

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of certain kinds of data even if

586
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someone's convinced in fact that certain

587
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events just can't be possible

588
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they can eventually be persuaded if the

589
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data is there

590
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side

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we just have to be vigilant and keep at

592
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it we have to be relentless and

593
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,480
resilient

594
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just like the truth is we have to keep

595
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,919
chipping away

596
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:48,159
at the dominant paradigm we find in our

597
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culture

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until more people start having the kind

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of conversion that richard lang has gone

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now in terms of breaking down this

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00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,840
current paradigm

602
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and eventually transcending it with a

603
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,080
new one

604
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even outside of the ufo phenomenon data

605
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:07,679
there is

606
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,400
evidence arising in other scientific

607
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,440
disciplines

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that also is bringing about a bit of a

609
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,039
revolution

610
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there is currently crises happening in

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numerous

612
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physical sciences behavioral sciences

613
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and whatnot as i've discussed before and

614
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this i think is all converging speaking

615
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,280
of point of convergence

616
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to a new understanding of a much more

617
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:32,720
complex

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00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,919
richer deeper reality for instance

619
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:37,039
donald hoffman

620
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has written a book called the case

621
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,080
against reality

622
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:42,240
why evolution hid the truth from our

623
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,440
eyes

624
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and he suggests that what we call

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00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,039
reality quote unquote

626
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,360
is actually simply a kind of interface

627
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,440
that evolution has handed us

628
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,520
to help us better navigate the barrage

629
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:55,840
of data that would otherwise be coming

630
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:01,270
by the way hoffman's point of view is

631
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,480
very compelling

632
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:04,559
and i think we will likely return to his

633
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,520
book in a future podcast episode

634
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,440
but to cut to the chase he basically

635
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,039
uses the analogy of

636
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:13,440
our experience of reality our perception

637
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:14,640
of reality

638
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,840
being more like a desktop interface

639
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,520
think about when you log on to your

640
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,360
computer you see things like

641
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,440
folders and you can put files that you

642
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,360
drag into those folders or you can

643
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,240
delete them put them in the garbage bin

644
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,720
of course that's not really real that's

645
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,320
just a rendering

646
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,360
that is representing underlying bits

647
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,000
zeros and ones electrical currents that

648
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,679
kind of thing

649
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,480
and yet the rendering in terms of

650
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:44,559
looking like folders and files that can

651
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:45,760
we can move around

652
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:49,120
and think about is useful and what he's

653
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:50,159
basically saying is

654
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,520
evolution has handed us that in terms of

655
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,200
how we perceive reality

656
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,480
that it's more like an interface between

657
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,440
our minds and what's really out there

658
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,039
because what's really out there

659
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,840
is a complete barrage of an insane

660
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,880
amount of data

661
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:08,880
and the vast majority of it again

662
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,279
remember the vast majority of it

663
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,559
is blocked out is filtered out because

664
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,960
again the only purpose of evolution was

665
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,880
to help us survive

666
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,200
so he actually makes the case that a

667
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:23,200
more realistic view of what's really out

668
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,760
there

669
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:26,240
probably died off with ancestors that

670
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,520
didn't

671
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,679
pass on their genes that the genes that

672
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,440
actually have been passed on

673
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,679
are the ones that create this kind of

674
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,600
virtual reality rendering

675
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,279
that helps us navigate the world in

676
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:39,200
terms of staying alive getting enough

677
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,760
food

678
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,520
reproducing that kind of thing for the

679
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,360
survival of the species

680
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,440
but it's not about seeing reality as it

681
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:46,720
really is

682
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,320
so not only does the ufo phenomenon data

683
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:52,159
suggest that there are entities here

684
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:52,960
that we don't

685
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,080
often see but

686
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:58,880
research in the sciences in terms of

687
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,279
what

688
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:01,440
hoffman and others have done suggest

689
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,559
that what we think of

690
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:05,520
as common sense and what's really out

691
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,840
there

692
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,600
and seeing what's plainly in front of

693
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,760
our eyes all of those notions

694
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,320
are false and outdated because what

695
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:14,720
we're seeing is likely not reality

696
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,870
this is what hoffman says in his book

697
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,760
quote

698
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,000
this critique also misreads the

699
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,080
copernican revolution

700
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,640
yes our perceptions mislead us about our

701
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,159
place in the universe

702
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,559
but its deeper message is this our

703
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,720
perceptions can mislead us

704
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,960
about the very nature of the universe

705
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,240
itself

706
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,559
we are prone to falsely believe that

707
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,159
certain limitations

708
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:45,039
and idiosyncrasies of our perceptions

709
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:45,919
are genuine

710
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:49,440
insights into objective reality

711
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,480
he also says quote to construct is the

712
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,919
essence of vision

713
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,919
dispense with construction and you

714
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,679
dispense with vision

715
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,000
everything you experience by sight is

716
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:01,600
your construction

717
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,880
unquote and then he goes on to say quote

718
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,880
as einstein put it

719
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:09,520
time and space are modes by which we

720
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,080
think

721
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:13,279
and not conditions in which we live

722
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,279
unquote so i hope you see the

723
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,799
implication here

724
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,840
it's not that the experience or accounts

725
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:24,480
about interactions with these non-human

726
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:25,600
intelligences

727
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:29,120
is untrustworthy no in fact the opposite

728
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,240
is the case

729
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,120
the standard view the standard way we

730
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:34,720
perceive reality

731
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,320
that is what is untrustworthy and it's

732
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:41,279
experiences like those recounted by

733
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,559
experiencers

734
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,640
that give us hints into the greater

735
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,960
reality that many people are not yet

736
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,760
experiencing

737
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,520
and yet it points to something

738
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:50,960
fundamentally real

739
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:55,990
now to bring this home with a really

740
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,159
tangible example

741
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,320
there was a time in our species history

742
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,400
where we could not perceive the color

743
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:03,520
blue

744
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,200
in that sense at that time in that era

745
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:10,000
the color blue was quote unquote an

746
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,200
impossibility

747
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,440
it simply didn't exist because we

748
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,799
couldn't perceive it

749
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,400
so at least from our point of view it

750
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,840
didn't exist

751
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,640
of course it did exist it's just that we

752
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,960
had to develop the capacity to perceive

753
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,240
it

754
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,279
now in that same way experiencers

755
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,760
who are encountering high strangeness

756
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,559
and these

757
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:33,600
non-human entities may be harbingers

758
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,909
now to be clear here i'm referring to

759
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:41,760
experiencer's capacity

760
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,039
to perceive a larger broader

761
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,440
bandwidth of reality as compared to the

762
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,440
general population

763
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:51,600
now in terms of individual moral

764
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,880
development

765
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,880
of course these individuals cut across

766
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,000
the entire spectrum

767
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,080
they're no different than the average in

768
00:28:00,710 --> 00:28:00,000
that sense some are highly morally

769
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,720
evolved

770
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,120
others not so much what's different

771
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:05,360
about them is their capacity to perceive

772
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:05,760
these

773
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,799
larger swaths of reality

774
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:11,039
that i think is the harbinger of what's

775
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,000
to come for all humanity

776
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,799
as we bring this podcast to a close i

777
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,080
just like to encourage

778
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,640
all of us to be a kind of memetic

779
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,760
mediator

780
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:26,720
and by that i mean people who help

781
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,360
mediate

782
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,360
these different levels of thought these

783
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,760
different paradigms about reality

784
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,919
in the noah's sphere which is the realm

785
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,200
of thought

786
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:38,080
because this is going to be necessary in

787
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,120
the near future

788
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:42,000
as a broader and broader segment of the

789
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,360
population

790
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:45,919
comes into direct contact with an

791
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:48,720
understanding that this ufo phenomenon

792
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:56,630
and on that note we've come to the close

793
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:57,760
of another edition

794
00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:00,559
of the point of convergence podcast as

795
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,360
always

796
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,760
let's keep this conversation going and

797
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,120
growing

798
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,360
but until next time friends from deep

799
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:09,360
within the blue ridge mountains of north